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	<description>Reflections on the Creation of the Anti-Bible</description>
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		<title>Comment on Antinous the Happy Bottom by tk</title>
		<link>http://sacredantinous.wordpress.com/2008/02/27/antinous-the-happy-bottom/#comment-1397</link>
		<dc:creator>tk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 07:35:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it is really cool...why not go on?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it is really cool&#8230;why not go on?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Emotional Archaeology by Shawn Postoff</title>
		<link>http://sacredantinous.wordpress.com/2008/02/01/emotional-archaeology/#comment-1396</link>
		<dc:creator>Shawn Postoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 16:24:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael,

Thanks so much for this fine comment. I hadn&#039;t yet come across the story of Simonides, but it&#039;s certainly a delicious one and perfectly dramatizes that sense of &quot;Poetic Justice&quot; that the Ancients seemed to love so much. 

And your speculation as to the possible path of these fugitive Sacred Texts through time and politics is delightful! You&#039;re right -- it could make a wonderful story in itself, couldn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael,</p>
<p>Thanks so much for this fine comment. I hadn&#8217;t yet come across the story of Simonides, but it&#8217;s certainly a delicious one and perfectly dramatizes that sense of &#8220;Poetic Justice&#8221; that the Ancients seemed to love so much. </p>
<p>And your speculation as to the possible path of these fugitive Sacred Texts through time and politics is delightful! You&#8217;re right &#8212; it could make a wonderful story in itself, couldn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Emotional Archaeology by Michael</title>
		<link>http://sacredantinous.wordpress.com/2008/02/01/emotional-archaeology/#comment-1394</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 22:32:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I stumbled onto this site and have been both entertained and touched by it. I wish you luck and look forward to seeing how it develops.

On the point of &#039;spirituality,&#039; it may be of some importance both to the development of your story and to a real historical understanding of the divinisation of Antinous to recognize that, in the ancient pagan world, one never knew when one might meet a god.

Do you know the story of Simonides of Ceos? He was a Greek lyric poet of the fifth century BC. One evening after having recited for a dinner party of the tyrant Scopas, Scopas refused to pay his fee, arguing that the poet had devoted too much of his recitation to the praise of the Dioscuri, and not enough to the praise of Scopas. At this juncture, Simonides was called to the door of the house with news that two youths had asked for him. Just as he came to the door, the roof of the dining room collapsed, killing all its occupants. The two young men were, of course, Castor and Pollux.

Such stories, as well as the great legends related by Homer, Hesiod, Pindar, and others, in which the gods constantly interacted with mortals, would have been known by heart to a literate man like Hadrian, as well as all his contemporaries. We can imagine, then, how he must have thought about his time with Antinous. Here was a remarkable young man. I believe your portrayal is quite reasonable; not only did he have beauty of visage, as the many statues make quite evident, but a beauty of mind and spirit attested in the obelisk inscription, where his &#039;wise counsel&#039; was mentioned. There is no evidence that he ever used his position to seek advantage for himself or others - what a relief his company must have been to Hadrian, who like anyone in authority must have been constantly besieged by people wanting something. It must have seemed an unusual blessing. 

And when Antinous was no more, bearing in mind the custom of the Egyptians to make local gods of those lost in the Nile, would not Hadrian have been disposed by all that he knew and had experienced, to believe that he had, indeed, enjoyed the fortune (for all too brief a time) of being in the company of a god? 

Your presentation of &#039;canonical texts&#039; and the attempt to create a history for them prompts some suggestions. The thought I offer is that such manuscripts might have been amongst the vast trove acquired by Cosimo de Medici from the Byzantines. There they couild be discovered and collated by Politian, whose interest they naturally piqued, and the Greek epistles translated into Latin by him (but not of course published on account of their content). Safely hid during Savonarola&#039;s reign of terror, they passed through several sets of hands (being seen at one point by Michelangelo, whose sonnets to young men they helped to inspire), ultimately as part of the dowry of Catherine de Medici to the circle of her son, Henri III. Scraps of transcripts made their way across the English Channel by persons in the retinue of the French ambassador M. de Mauvissière, and through the murky Catholic underground were discovered by Christopher Marlowe, who drew on them in writing several of his own plays and poems. Italian translations in the fashionable pseudo-Petrarchan mode were made in the first decades of the seventeenth century, and set to music by Rosenmüller (then of San Marco in Venice) for private performance in Rome (where public opera was prohibited by papal decree) before audiences of appreciative cardinals - and so on. One might have almost as much fun with the _apparatus criticus_ as with the texts themselves!

Good luck in any event - I look forward to reading more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I stumbled onto this site and have been both entertained and touched by it. I wish you luck and look forward to seeing how it develops.</p>
<p>On the point of &#8217;spirituality,&#8217; it may be of some importance both to the development of your story and to a real historical understanding of the divinisation of Antinous to recognize that, in the ancient pagan world, one never knew when one might meet a god.</p>
<p>Do you know the story of Simonides of Ceos? He was a Greek lyric poet of the fifth century BC. One evening after having recited for a dinner party of the tyrant Scopas, Scopas refused to pay his fee, arguing that the poet had devoted too much of his recitation to the praise of the Dioscuri, and not enough to the praise of Scopas. At this juncture, Simonides was called to the door of the house with news that two youths had asked for him. Just as he came to the door, the roof of the dining room collapsed, killing all its occupants. The two young men were, of course, Castor and Pollux.</p>
<p>Such stories, as well as the great legends related by Homer, Hesiod, Pindar, and others, in which the gods constantly interacted with mortals, would have been known by heart to a literate man like Hadrian, as well as all his contemporaries. We can imagine, then, how he must have thought about his time with Antinous. Here was a remarkable young man. I believe your portrayal is quite reasonable; not only did he have beauty of visage, as the many statues make quite evident, but a beauty of mind and spirit attested in the obelisk inscription, where his &#8216;wise counsel&#8217; was mentioned. There is no evidence that he ever used his position to seek advantage for himself or others &#8211; what a relief his company must have been to Hadrian, who like anyone in authority must have been constantly besieged by people wanting something. It must have seemed an unusual blessing. </p>
<p>And when Antinous was no more, bearing in mind the custom of the Egyptians to make local gods of those lost in the Nile, would not Hadrian have been disposed by all that he knew and had experienced, to believe that he had, indeed, enjoyed the fortune (for all too brief a time) of being in the company of a god? </p>
<p>Your presentation of &#8216;canonical texts&#8217; and the attempt to create a history for them prompts some suggestions. The thought I offer is that such manuscripts might have been amongst the vast trove acquired by Cosimo de Medici from the Byzantines. There they couild be discovered and collated by Politian, whose interest they naturally piqued, and the Greek epistles translated into Latin by him (but not of course published on account of their content). Safely hid during Savonarola&#8217;s reign of terror, they passed through several sets of hands (being seen at one point by Michelangelo, whose sonnets to young men they helped to inspire), ultimately as part of the dowry of Catherine de Medici to the circle of her son, Henri III. Scraps of transcripts made their way across the English Channel by persons in the retinue of the French ambassador M. de Mauvissière, and through the murky Catholic underground were discovered by Christopher Marlowe, who drew on them in writing several of his own plays and poems. Italian translations in the fashionable pseudo-Petrarchan mode were made in the first decades of the seventeenth century, and set to music by Rosenmüller (then of San Marco in Venice) for private performance in Rome (where public opera was prohibited by papal decree) before audiences of appreciative cardinals &#8211; and so on. One might have almost as much fun with the _apparatus criticus_ as with the texts themselves!</p>
<p>Good luck in any event &#8211; I look forward to reading more.</p>
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		<title>Comment on December Post-Mortem by Colin Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colin Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2007 13:49:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congratulations, the very good start to an excellent site, which will fill a gap in the other Internet material dealing with Antinous. 
It is difficult to know how to worship a non Judeo-Christian deity - respect, love, praise and worship, and perhaps a little fear, but always without the expectation of salvation; Hades exists, even for the initiates of Ephesus!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congratulations, the very good start to an excellent site, which will fill a gap in the other Internet material dealing with Antinous.<br />
It is difficult to know how to worship a non Judeo-Christian deity &#8211; respect, love, praise and worship, and perhaps a little fear, but always without the expectation of salvation; Hades exists, even for the initiates of Ephesus!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Inaugural Message by Saadaya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Saadaya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Dec 2006 01:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The anti-bible.  How brilliant!  This is one of the aspects of gay history that is most revolutionary and an affront to the establishment, and it gives us empowering language to speak our truths and to engage our spirituality and creativity.

Thank you for presenting your work to the world.

Hiram / Saadaya</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The anti-bible.  How brilliant!  This is one of the aspects of gay history that is most revolutionary and an affront to the establishment, and it gives us empowering language to speak our truths and to engage our spirituality and creativity.</p>
<p>Thank you for presenting your work to the world.</p>
<p>Hiram / Saadaya</p>
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		<title>Comment on Inaugural Message by Antonius Subia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antonius Subia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 20:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congradulations on your accomplishment,

Antinous lives again in your words.

All my love is with you,

Antonius</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congradulations on your accomplishment,</p>
<p>Antinous lives again in your words.</p>
<p>All my love is with you,</p>
<p>Antonius</p>
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